The new HFP chat thread – Wednesday 29th April

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• Not relevant says:

  29 Apr29 April 20:41

  BA letter to BALPA about pilot redundancies. Horrendous.

  • Colin MacKinnon says:

    29 Apr29 April 21:00

    Jeeez! Statutory redundancy payments only!!

    Ps What are the LCY crews flying? Are these just the BabyBus? Or are they City Flyer? If just BabyBus then it is doomed for sure.

    • Shoestring says:

      29 Apr29 April 21:11

      They can hardly give away shareholders’ money in these times. Rich companies do that in good times (generous redundancy terms).

      Very tough for all concerned.

      • Harry T says:

        29 Apr29 April 21:22

        Is it the real Harry?!

        • Shoestring says:

          29 Apr29 April 21:28

          Hard not to feel sorry for those facing redundancy. 6 months ago a long-standing pilot getting made redundant could probably have negotiated a package close to 2 years’ salary.

          What is it going to be now? Notice period +
          You’ll get:
          half a week’s pay for each full year you were under 22
          one week’s pay for each full year you were 22 or older, but under 41
          one and half week’s pay for each full year you were 41 or older
          Length of service is capped at 20 years.

          If you were made redundant on or after 6 April 2020, your weekly pay is capped at £538 and the maximum statutory redundancy pay you can get is £16,140. If you were made redundant before 6 April 2020, these amounts will be lower.

  • Lady London says:

    29 Apr29 April 21:47

    Statutory only.
    Refusing to honour the previously agreed “rdeployment” agreement.
    Withdrawal of ‘transition’ support to peoplemade redundant.

    BA also makes iclear they will push out all employee pay and conditions to the lowest common denominator. This is BA’s opportunity to squash employees and provide no decent conditions and they are openly stating they are going to make use of it.

    The letter is 3 pages about BA. BA this, BA thatit’s all about BA.

    I sure as hell wish the pilots hadnt folded last December. Doesn’t matter what you give BA they will screw you as soon it suits them.

    Per head it wouldn’t cost BA that much to be decent at an individual level even if it could be 12,000. They do still have access to cash.

    Personally I think the union needs to go over this weasel worded letter and find its flaws. The 45 looks wrong from the start.

    That will teach any union dealing with BA for the future. Don’t give BA anything as they will sh*ft you in the end.

    OK BA, if you think you should tear up all previous agreements and dump people like this
    and use this as an opportunity to achieve taking away working conditions and pay across the board, then you should go down. Let’s release the Heathrow slots to the highest bidder after you’ve folded which can’t be soon enough.

    I dont care if this letter was just an opening gambit to force low expectations of redundancy confitions.. I didn’t want you to get government support but actually it’s far worse now I just want you to go down. Let’s replace you with the highest bidder. After all, it’s just business, isn’t it?

    • Rts says:

      29 Apr29 April 22:34

      Quite emotional! All ok?

      • bazza says:

        29 Apr29 April 23:30

        You sound like a bore……..

    • Baji Nahid says:

      29 Apr29 April 22:57

      Couldnt Agree More Lady London, its never about the poor employees who made their employer reach the position that they are at today. Makes me sick.

      • Shoestring says:

        29 Apr29 April 23:06

        OTOH they got paid, contractually, for the work they did. If the work dries up, they’re no longer needed. They were paid fairly for work they did, now they’re no longer needed.

        Contract ended. Work dried up. No work, no pay.

    • Don says:

      29 Apr29 April 23:12

      It’s a privilege, not a right, to work for Britain’s most prestigious flag carrier and the letter reminds crew of that.

      • J says:

        30 Apr30 April 07:15

        Is that a joke?

• Ian says:

  29 Apr29 April 20:52

  I’m still waiting for the email regarding our next easyjet flight that is booked for 7th May.
  Not worried though – we have had 4 easyjet bookings cancelled over the last month. The notification emails have appeared anything between 5 and 9 days before departure.

  • bill says:

    29 Apr29 April 21:34

    NO

• Lady London says:

  29 Apr29 April 21:06

  1. Lufthansa is refusing to deal with refunds. It’s illegal but they are doing it. Technically they seem to be insolvent but they wil be rescued. Deutschland uber alles.

  All you need to do is try once to get through to Lufthansa to ask for your refund for the flight they cancelled. When you can’t get through or if they refuse call the credit card you paid on and request a “section 75 refund”. Do it sooner than later. Lots here about this is articles and comments.

  2. easyJet has cancelled all flights through 17th May. They are not hiring extra staff to process the cancellations so people are being emailed 2-1 weeks ahead mostly. You have to follow s rabbit hole on the easyJet site to get a refund and then they say it’ll take 28 days. You can either wait or again call your cardco when you get the cancellation notice and ask for a section 75 refund – as technically under ec261/2004 they’re meant to refund within 7 days.

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