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British Airways cancels BA1, London City to New York, and Beirut

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The A318, ‘all business class’ British Airways flight from London City Airport to New York JFK may have met its match.

The last flight (for a while) will be Wednesday 25th March, allowing British Airways to escape its EC261 compensation obligations by cancelling more than 14 days in advance.

In theory, the flight is set to return in September and tickets can still be purchased for the Autumn.  Nothing is certain, of course, and we may have seen the end of it.

Of course, when I reviewed the flight last year I titled the first part “Review: Should British Airways scrap BA1, the ‘all business’ London City to New York service?“.  I felt that the lack of property IFE and the 2×2 open seating was no longer good enough.  The extension of Global Entry meant that the ability to clear immigration in Shannon was also becoming less of a draw, and Crossrail will soon make Heathrow a lot nearer to Canary Wharf.

BA1 A318 interior view

British Airways drops Beirut

Talking of dropping flights, British Airways has dropped – permanently – flights to Beirut.

This is not linked to coronavirus, and indeed the cancellation does not take effect until 12th May.

As it happens, this is exactly the same time that British Airways gets back 12 daily slot pairs from Flybe.  Beirut uses an ex-BMI A321 short-haul aircraft, albeit with proper business class seats, and this aircraft could cover a number of short-haul flights in the Flybe slots.

The economic situation in Lebanon has been troublesome for some time and it appears that the volume of passengers is no longer there to make the route viable.  Royal Jordanian will remain a oneworld option via Amman.


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Comments (304)

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  • Barbs says:

    If we pay our US holiday on an Amex Platinum, and then flights from the UK gets blocked as well, ir we were in the EU too close to the time of our holiday, would the insurance pay out?

    • Rob says:

      Definitely no to the 2nd part. I would be doubtful about the first part too. It is up to you to ensure you have the correct paperwork to enter a country, and in this case the correct paperwork is a US passport or certain sorts of visa. It is likely that your flight would be cancelled if there was a UK ban, however, meaning that you would be refunded anyway.

  • Anna says:

    BJ not going to close schools apparently. That could come back to bite him…

    • Nick_C says:

      When they close the schools, some parents are going to have to take time off work. Many of these people will be working in essential services.

      • Shoestring says:

        10 minutes ago: [UK Ministers, officials, medical officers and the chief of the defence staff have arrived for the latest emergency Cobra meeting. The meeting is expected to confirm that the UK has officially moved from the contain to the delay phase as set out in a plan for tackling Covid-19.]

        Not much point in closing schools this week, IMV

      • Anna says:

        They will be, but other countries clearly think that this option will pay off in the long term.

        • Shoestring says:

          ouch! [new modelling from the University of Southampton showed that coronavirus could have infected 7.6million people in China alone, had the country not gone into lockdown.
          Researchers calculated that the estimated number of cases – 114,325 by Feb 29 – would have risen 67-fold, had draconian measures not been enacted to shut down transport systems, cut off cities, restrict social contact and quickly isolate suspected patients. A widespread quarantine came into effect in China from Jan 23, but the new figures show that if restrictions had been brought in three weeks earlier, cases could have been cut to fewer than 6,000…early intervention would have significantly limited the geographical spread of the disease]

      • BJ says:

        Like most things, it’s a trade off. The heart of the Covid-19 issue from a political perspective is do they prioritise the protection of the elderly or the economy, or do they try to strike a balance? What we see going on around the world at the moment are merely reflections of the different decisions politicians and political systems make in respect of this fundamental choice. The variation owes less to science and medicine, that are both well understood, than it does to politics. The one thing you can be sure of is that when all this is over and done and the blame game begins, the politicians will be first out the blocks pointing their fingers at the science and medical communities. Meanwhile, the media which as always in the UK is quick to whip up hysteria, will be blameless as always.

  • Richard Akers says:

    O/T: with the virgin voucher from the credit card, do you have to phone up to use this?? i can only see the line item on my statement and can’t find a way to use when searching for redemptions on the virgin site.

  • Justin79 says:

    We have a booking for a holiday with Virgin to the US next week.
    One of our party lives in the Schengen zone and so despite the fact we are all travelling from the UK will not be able to travel as he has been in the schengen zone in the past 14 days.
    As it currently stands we can all rebook for the future but this isn’t that easy. Is he likely to get a refund of his costs from Virgin as he isn’t able to enter the US? And if so what does this mean for the rest of us on the booking? i.e. one of us would have been sharing a room so therefore the room would only be single occupancy?

    • TGLoyalty says:

      Have you been told you can’t all travel because 1 of your party has been in the area in the 14 days prior to your flight or just that he won’t be able to travel?

      not sure I understand the single occupancy question. The hotel won’t care if 1 is in the room instead of 2 but I guess it means slightly higher cost for the rest of you, if he can’t claim from his insurance?

      • Justin says:

        Nope only he can’t travel.
        So wondering if virgin should refund him only?

  • Ra says:

    Does anyone know a number which BA actually answer? I know they are busy but I’ve been trying all day and get cut off every time. Website is no use as it just gives general information.

    • Anna says:

      There’s no guarantee of getting through on any number at the moment, they will be swamped. I don’t know what their social media responses are like at the moment. If I wanted to make any urgent changes to a booking I would go to my local airport and speak to BA staff there, though I know this wouldn’t be practicable for everyone.

      • Algor says:

        I had a problem not getting thorugh to BA, called number for First class despite having business class ticket.

        Agent replied in less than a minute and sorted me out.

    • Rob says:

      Generally the Gold line or the one for overseas customers.

    • Lady London says:

      Keep a record of your attempts to reach them just in case. @Colin MacKinnon’s idea of using Skype to call if possible was a good one for this.

      • BJ says:

        Another little tip I though of this morning after receiving my upgraded BAPP: keep old/cancelled cards (or at least the card details) in event you need to go online to change or cancel existing bookings. Card details are required for security and refunds so best to avoid any need for calls simply because we no longer have payment card details.

        • Polly says:

          We had refunds onto a cancelled card from 6 mths previously. They just sent me a statement showing the credit. I just called in and they refunded it. But like always keep old cards we booked LH flts on, just in case QR or foreign check in desks require it.

  • AndyF says:

    OT : Curious Aj Bell – Hargreaves – Or Charles Stanley any thoughts on the best provider for the coming weeks?

  • Harry T says:

    My partner and I are booked on QF1 (Sydney to London) on 16th March. We are currently in Australia. We paid £110 each to book extra legroom seats in economy on the economy mini cabin on the upper deck of the A380. However, I’ve just checked the seat map and it has changed to what appears to be a refurbished A380. Therefore economy is now only on the lower deck. We have automatically been changed to two middle seats! To compound matters further, the app and website will not allow me to change my seats at all – it gives me an error message that says “A payment is in progress. A seat selection request is in progress. You cannot make changes to your seats at this time. Please contact your issuing agent.”

    Obviously we do not want to sit in two middle seats after paying for extra legroom seats in a far superior cabin arrangement. I’ve tried to call the UK and Australian Qantas call centres but the wait times are ranging from 1-3 hours. I haven’t been able to get through to anyone. Can anyone suggest a way to resolve this dilemma without spending hours of our holiday on the phone waiting for Qantas to pick up?

    • Anna says:

      Are you in a position to go to the airport before your return date and speak to Qantas staff? Or does the company have travel shops there? I agree it’s a stinker but there will be some sort of clause in your booking saying they can change your seats for “operational reasons”. Failing all that, you may have to wait until online check in to see I you can move seats (then get to the airport ASAP).

      • Harry T says:

        @Anna we are currently in Melbourne so I think our best chance may be to find a human at Sydney airport, when we get there five hours before our flight (getting a Qantas domestic flight there). Can not get through to Qantas by any channel. Unsure if Melbourne airport could help us, and there’s no travel shops or ticket offices.

    • BJ says:

      If you are in a major city with an office it might be best just to go there. Tbh though, I don’t know if airlines even have ticket offices these days. Doubt the plane will be full so you can lilely sort it out to your satisfaction at the airport. I think they have parked all their a380s so you will be flying something else and that might explain the online issues.

      • AJA says:

        The A380s are still flying. Qantas will only ground them on 20 April when the flight changes to a 787/9 and will fly via Perth rather than Singapore.

        • Lyn says:

          Yes, but the refurbished Qantas A380’s have extra premium economy seats in place of the economy seats in the small rear cabin upstairs. The timing of the change is really bad luck for Harry T. Also for Qantas I suspect because it will be harder to fill the extra premium economy seats in the current economic and travel environment.

          • BJ says:

            Might work out in their favour, they might get a PE seat in the end seeing as they paid for extra legroom.

      • Harry T says:

        @BJ currently in Melbourne. No ticket office as far as I can see. I’m unsure if the staff at Melbourne Tullamarine could help – either way it would cost over an hour of our holiday and at least 70 AUD for Uber. I think we are probably beat at this stage to just try and enjoy our holiday, and try our luck at Sydney airport before we fly. Looks like the Melbourne Grand Prix is probably cancelled too!

    • Lyn says:

      What bad luck, Harry T. Qantas are probably swamped after the cuts they’ve recently announced to their routes. Early morning in Australia is usually the best time to call their Australian call centre when it opens, at least if you choose the frequent flyer option. I don’t think Qantas have city offives any more do they? It sounds as if you might be within T-80 now? Which could make things harder, or perhaps easier. i doubt it on-line check-in would help if you can’t make changes now. Are their social media options such as Twitter a possibility?

      • Harry T says:

        Thanks, Lyn. We have messaged them on Twitter and their app but no joy so far!

        • Lyn says:

          Fingers crossed. But if that doesn’t work perhaps you could try at Tullamarine before your domestic light? As you probably know the Qantas international terminal is adjacent to the domestic one in Melbourne (unlike Sydney) – I would try there (at the International terminal) if you can get there a bit early. Hopefully you can find a manager to take pity on you, especially if they aren’t busy checking in for an international flight.

          I honestly don’t see how they could have sold all the extra premium economy seats if they have only just swapped the plane. As BJ said, you have a good argument for why they might upgrade you instead of someone else, and it would save them having to give you a refund for your seat assignments. You could also try phoning as soon as their frequent flyer centre opens in the morning just in case they answer quickly. It’s bad luck about the Grand Prix.

          • Harry T says:

            Thanks, that’s a great idea – we will try at Tullamarine.

            The Grand Prix being cancelled gives us a bit more time to explore more of Melbourne so there’s a silver lining.

    • AJA says:

      Harry have you tried accessing your booking on Finnair’s website? Their’s seems to be able to do things that BA’s can’t do. If that doesn’t work I think you are limited to getting to the airport early and trying to get another pair of seats at check-in. I was also going to suggest asking on FT but I think I’ve just seen your posting there. Be aware that FT only allows you 5 postings in your first 24 hours.

      • Harry T says:

        @AJA thanks but no joy with Finnair. Yes, that’s me on Flyertalk. Not getting offered a callback option by Qantas, can’t text them, and they are ignoring app messaging.

  • Anna says:

    Cruise companies now cancelling altogether, Princess and Viking seem to have definitely confirmed all cruises being shelved for 2 months.

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