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Why won’t British Airways refund your seat reservation fees when you cancel a flight?

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I thought it was worth taking a look today at one of the most egregious money-making schemes pursued by British Airways – the refusal to refund seat reservation fees if you cancel your booking.

This is a topic which has come up from time to time in our comments section, although we have never looked at it in an article.  What triggered this was a comment from reader Andrew on Monday.

Andrew had cancelled two Avios seats in Club World to the US.  All of his Avios and other charges had been refunded, less the £35 per head administration fee, as usual.

However, British Airways refused to refund £500 of seat reservation fees.

BA seat reservation fees

Can you really spend £500 on seat reservation fees for a couple?

Unfortunately, yes.

Rhys wrote this article in May about ‘fee creep’ at British Airways.

We used an example there of Heathrow to New York, where seat selection would cost up to £364 return for a couple.

Whilst we didn’t look at the US West Coast at that time, I just did a dummy booking for Heathrow to San Francisco next May.   As you can see, for someone without British Airways Gold or Silver status or the oneworld equivalent, if you want to sit on the top deck of the Boeing 747 it will cost you £139 per person each-way – a total of £556 return.  Bargain.

British Airways seat reservation fees

There are two issues here, I think: is it made clear that your reservation is non-refundable? and is this ‘fair’?

Is it made clear that seat reservations are non-refundable?

Let’s look at the first issue.  When you go into ba.com to select seats, this is what you see (click to enlarge):

The terms and conditions are not shown, but require you to click a hyperlink.  Not ideal, but probably acceptable.  But when you click the hyperlink, you get this:

This is meant to be a summary of the key terms and conditions.  At no point does it say that seat reservations are non refundable.

If you click on ‘More terms and conditions’ it DOES bring up a lengthy pop up box of rules.  If you scroll almost to the bottom, it DOES say that seat fees are non-refundable if you choose to cancel your flight.  I would argue, however, that this is too many clicks from the booking screen to be watertight.

Regardless of the T&Cs, is this ‘fair’?

You might say ‘it doesn’t matter if it’s fair’.

Except, under UK contract law, it does.

There are lots of pieces of regulation which could come into play here such as the Consumer Rights Act 2015, the Unfair Contract Terms Act 1977, the Unfair Terms in Consumer Contracts Regulations 1999, the Sale of Goods Act 1979 and the Supply of Goods and Services Act 1982.

Here is a very concise summary from the Government’s own website:

Businesses can keep your deposit or advance payments, or ask you to pay a cancellation charge, only in certain circumstances:

If you cancel the contract, the business is generally only entitled to keep or receive an amount sufficient to cover their actual losses that directly result from your cancellation (eg costs already incurred or loss of profit).

Businesses must take reasonable steps to reduce their losses (eg by re-selling the goods or services).

Non-refundable deposits should only be a small percentage of the total price.

Cancellation charges must be a genuine estimate of the business’ direct loss.

A good base line is that a consumer contract can only be imposed if it is ‘fair’.

It is very, very difficult to see how retaining a payment of £500+ for seat selection is ‘fair’ when the airline was happy to cancel the underlying seats without penalty.

Seat selection fees also appear ‘unfair’ in terms of the ‘power’ given to each party.  British Airways, according to the small print, is free to throw you out of your allocated seats for any reason it wants:

“A paid seat request cannot be guaranteed, as it may need to be changed for operational, safety or security reasons, even after boarding the aircraft.”

“Paid seating will not be refunded if you cancel your flight, are involuntarily upgraded or are not suitable to sit in the seat type you have selected.”

“In relation to BA marketed and operated flights, if, in accordance with your fare rules, you choose to move to a different flight, you will be entitled to choose an equivalent seat on your new flight. However if an equivalent seat is not available the difference paid will be forfeited and will not be refunded. In relation to other carrier marketed flights, if you choose to move to a different flight, you will not be entitled to choose an equivalent seat on the new flight and you will not be entitled to a refund.”

Note that, if BA upgrades you, you don’t get a seat refund.  It is difficult to imagine a court agreeing with that, especially if you paid for seats purely in order to be together but – due to the upgrade – you were separated.

Oddly, if the whole transaction was non-refundable (the seat and the seat reservation), you may be able to make a case for retaining the seat fee.  You bought a product in advance at a cheaper price by buying it in advance rather than at short notice, with the trade off that the transaction was non-refundable.  This is seen as ‘fair’ under UK law.  The seat fee could be seen as part of the overall cost.

In the case of an Avios redemption – or a fully flexible cash ticket – it is a different story.  The airline is willing to refund the flight.  It is therefore virtually impossible, in my mind, to put together a ‘reasonable’ justification for keeping the seat selection fees.

Is it worth fighting this if it applies to you?

I would be very interested to hear from any HfP readers who have taken British Airways to CEDR arbitration (here is our guide on how to do it) or, failing that, to MCOL / Small Claims (here is our guide on how to do that) over seat selection fees.

In reader experience, British Airways will almost always fold if you take a compensation claim to arbitration or MCOL.  Whether right or wrong, the cost of defending the claim makes no sense.  When BA doesn’t fold, it usually loses.  The problem is that these cases do not set legal precedent.  Settlement usually comes with the requirement to sign a confidentiality agreement, so it cannot even be publicised.

It would require a full court hearing to take place before legal precedent was set, as happened in – for example – Jet2 vs Huzar, the case which set the precedent that mechanical failure was not an excuse for not paying EC261 compensation.

Until someone does that, however, British Airways will carry on attempting to extract large sums for seat selection fees on cancelled flights.

The only good news on the horizon is that, with the new Club Suite, the seats are created more or less equal and there is very little justification for spending money on a reservation.  Even if you end up not being able to sit together, other passengers should be more willing to move onboard to accommodate you as they would not be worse off.


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Comments (172)

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  • Nick G says:

    How any airline that sells a business class seat then charges to sit in is a complete joke. Pure greed and profit. Watch non stop dans review of BA club suite to Toronto to get a good measure

    • Chabuddy geezy says:

      Non stop Dan is hardly impartial though. He criticised other bloggers for accepting free flights from airlines. Then he went cap in hand to Qatar to ask for a free upgrade…

      • Spaghetti Town says:

        Haha yes, i saw that video. He claimed he was doing it as a one off because Qatar were launching a nonstop flight to his home town. All his videos are click-bait anyway.

  • MattB says:

    I paid for club seats a couple of years ago and had the fees refunded when we upgraded to F. The t&C’s ‘allow’ it as there is no equivalent charges in the F cabin. I guess if we had then cancel ok ed those days we would have been able to effectively get a full refund.

  • Paul Hickey says:

    My wife and I are on holiday at the mo in Thailand having flown out to SIN (and back from KUL) in club with BA.
    we are bronze with BA so that gives us chance a week prior to flying, to book 2 seats together. Not always first choice but usually 2 together. Plan B IS to ask people to move and plan C is to sit separately. I’d never pay IRO £500 for seat selection.
    The thing is with BA; unless you are on an AVIOS redemption (preferably with a companion voucher) or you have got a £1200er starting in AMS, why on earth would anyone fly BA Club on a mainstream long-haul route?

    • TGLoyalty says:

      There are lots of reasons to still fly BA club and the main one being convenience as it’s direct.

      My last club world flight was 2 months ago and I throughly enjoyed both legs. It was a cash bargain too.

      • Anna says:

        Also can be good for avios & tier points. OH got Bronze this year via 1 long haul trip with a domestic connection.

      • Genghis says:

        Exactly. Convenience. On work trips I want to minimise time away from home. Saying that I flew EK recently and got a day TOIL for the extra time as saving was £4k over BA.

        • Polly says:

          Did you do a status match with that flight, useful to have. Know you went J, but their Y product was good too. We did it with BA silver, when we did a LH on EK to HKT a couple of years ago. Got into the lounges as a result. Very useful. Bit of work tho, they wanted all our J flt records from WR and BA F etc. But granted us a year.

        • Lady London says:

          Bargain. Plus you got a better flight experience on EK? Win-Win. With your little one I’d be looking for more opportunities like that !

      • Spaghetti Town says:

        How do you think they’ve managed with such a bad config for so long? If they had the QR/EK business model relying on a lot of connections, CW would of been binned a long time ago

      • Paul Hickey says:

        That’s my point. It was a “cash bargain” so it represented value.
        On the direct route point. Only useful if you are London based. Otherwise, you might as well change in Middle East for example, as go through LHR.

  • Arthur says:

    Recent article on the This is Money site about a similar case. Helen the ‘Complaining Cow’ advised on it and the couple applied to HM courts using the Money Claim Online service as BA would not budge on a refund but then buckled before the case came up.
    https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/experts/article-7525745/amp/I-cancel-flights-BA-wont-refund-386-choose-seats.html

    • Shoestring says:

      good reference

      there’s no legal precedent set by MCOL result though it could be cited by future claimants if made public

      surprised BA didn’t include a NDA in their settlement

      • Alex W says:

        Only a refund of £386 is hardly generous, though. I would be wanting some form of compensation for the time, cost and trouble wasted fighting their unfair contract.

      • Andrew says:

        I’m not overly convinced an NDA is worth the paper it’s written on.

        My former employer’s lawyers sent a threatening letter to my wife and I when she caught up with my old colleagues for a spa day and told everyone how much I’d got as a pay off.

        She didn’t sign the NDA.
        They paid the money into our joint account.

        My old employers apologised and, after insisting that she sign an NDA, made a generous payment into the joint account my wife has with her mother.
        My Mother in Law is such a gossip… 😉

        • Genghis says:

          🙂

        • the_real_a says:

          A semi-serious question. I wonder if an NDA in a similar circumstance through drafting or precedent would give protection for telling a spouse or partner? Many couples have separate accounts these days… Of course, the legal rebuke would be the former employee not a party that was a non signatory.

          • Anna says:

            My understanding of NDAs is that you are allowed to share the details with immediate family (who are going to want to suspect where the money has come from anyway!)
            However there are numerous ways of getting around this. A friend of mine settled out of court with her employer; it was easy enough to ask her to remain silent or cough in response to various questions!

    • Polly says:

      Andrew has a reasonable chance of success then with mcol…

  • Ash says:

    Totally O/T and may have been mentioned before but I am in first from DEH to LHR on BA and the WiFi is free !

  • Geoff says:

    As ever, it is how you look at it. Instead of looking at it as paying extra for seat selection, see it as being able to pay less if you are not bothered about where you sit. Like a with-luggage fare vs HBO.

    Presumably, if BA removed all seat fees, the average ticket price would have to go up to cover the shortfall. Or they could have different fares for lower and upper deck. And if they want to upgrade you, but it would mean sitting apart, let someone else have the upgrade – depends whether sitting together beats the better class.

    • DV says:

      No, that doesn’t follow at all.

    • Ian says:

      Or you could look at it that they introduced seat selection fees without reducing the costs of ticlets. So everyone was, and continues to be, worse off.

      • RedEyeDonkey says:

        That might be true originally but One World T/A flights are consistently cheaper in business at the 6 month+ out mark than any of the other options from the UK. I do dozens of searches every time I get a notification a conference has been scheduled from all reasonable UK airports ( MIA + Conference Hotel –> PHL (for meetings) –> LHR GBP2,250 on BA Holidays. Sky Team and Star options just for the flights over the Atlantic without the internal connection are over 2,300.

        I can only assume without the seating fees, much like if budget carriers were forced to not charge any extras, the prices would be higher – and anyone with Silver+ doesn’t pay this extra so just gets to save the money from not having ‘seating fees included for everyone’.

        It probably does suck for people booking things at shorter notice but with OW’s advance pricing killing it so much at the moment I’d hate to see any excuse to change it coming up!

    • ChrisC says:

      They already do charge higher seat fees for the upper deck.

      But looking at not paying for a seat = a discount does not follow because BA sells flights on AA for the same price as it’s own. And seat reservations are free on AA metal.

  • Paul says:

    I used Avios to book seats to Crete in September. I had to cancel the holiday because of the BA strike. BA holidays gave me a full refund for the flights and the hotel but I am still fighting with BA to get the Avios for the seat bookings refunded. Part of the problem is only being able to talk to the customer service agent and not being able to escalate. Is threatening small claims court the only way to get their attention

    • Polly says:

      Seems like it…they will literally stonewall you TIL you give up or go mcol. This is money case study is quite detailed.

    • Shoestring says:

      You have various options – it’s actually a small matter for BA and you *will* get your Avios back in this situation without much of a fight, you just seem to be hitting dumb CS agent/s. Sending a headed ‘Letter before action’ email gets the attention of BA’s legal team and should be enough. Or email somebody important in the company. Yes – CEDR or MCOL will work fine but they take up your time and I think if you are a bit more persistent in repeating your claim/ LBA etc you’ll easily get the Avios back.

      • Paul says:

        Can you suggest the best email address to send to in BA. they seem reluctant to publish email addresses??

        • Rob says:

          They are all firstname.surname@ba.com, even Alex.

        • Anna says:

          Have you used the online complaints form? It’s not the quickest way of getting a response, however you will get an acknowledgement and a case number, and if you do take it further it’s good evidence that you’ve tried other routes with BA beforehand.

      • ChrisC says:

        I did a tersely worded letter to BA legal when it was taking an age to get a refund – three broken promises on payment being made.

        I put those interactions in the letter and basically said 14 days or else it’s MCOL.

        About a week later I got a call from customer services to apologise. I said if her colleagues had done what they had promised in the first place it would have saved everyone work. She couldn’t disagree

        I also got the impression that legal get lots of letters like this for repeated basic failures and they don’t like it.

        I was prepared to actually go to MCOL but equally MCOL expect you to make efforts before going to them – hence at least a couple of tries with customer services first.

  • Jovanna says:

    I applied for a seat refund once. It was for £7. I don’t think it was ever refunded.

    I had called BA, who had confirmed the refund. About 3 months later, I remembered but I couldn’t see the £7 hitting my account when I scrolled back through my bank statements.

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