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Following on from our coverage of Curve and its split with American Express, the blog post below was published on the Curve website on Thursday morning.

As few of you will find it there by chance, I thought I would reproduce it here.  I have not edited it or added any commentary.

Curve will pay you £10 for trying it out if you use our link.

“January 31, 2019
Bringing Amex Back to Curve
By Shachar Bialick

You are probably aware that American Express has decided to block our customers from adding their Amex cards to Curve and making top-ups to their e-wallets. Amex has given no good or fair reason for their decision and we believe it to be entirely disproportionate and discriminatory to Curve and our joint customers.

Although Amex cardmembers represent a small percentage of our customers, we believe the decision by Amex to be wrong. We believe consumers should be able to decide how they wish to access their money, and that progress should not be stifled by the whims of giants. So we decided to stand for what we believe in: that real innovation can prevail. Curve is an original and groundbreaking product that gives you, the consumer, greater control over your money and we are convinced that this is worth fighting for.

Before I ask for your support of Curve in its fight for innovation and a level-playing field, let me share how this situation with Amex has come about.

Amex First Comes to Curve

In 2016, when we launched Curve in Beta, we accepted Amex cards as one of our funding options, alongside Visa and Mastercard. We soon found out that Amex did not like this operating model, and were promptly told to remove Amex support from Curve. Back then we were a small startup with limited resources and, though disappointed, we were forced to acquiesce and continue to grow our business without them. This was a time before the game-changing PSD2 came into force and regulations did not forbid Amex from doing so.

Although Amex’s market share of total card payments is less than 10% in the UK, it is a leader in the rewards market. Curve cardholders who also have an Amex card represent a small segment of our customers, but for them, Curve can’t be ‘All Your Cards in One’, and they still need to carry two cards in their wallets. Moreover, the bigger problem these users have is that Amex acceptance in the UK and Europe is low, so they can’t use their Amex as much as they’d like to. All of the above explains why many of these customers asked Curve to bring back support for the Amex network.

PSD2 Introduces a Level-Playing Field

In January 2018, the EU’s PSD2 came into law in the UK under PSR 2017, and turned the payments industry on its head. It opened up the payments market to competition and innovation. In particular, it ensured that companies could access all payment networks (including Amex) on a level-playing field along with every other fee-paying and legitimate payment service provider.

As a consequence of this radical change, Curve applied for a new merchant account with Amex and signed a Merchant Services Agreement on the 23rd of March 2018. The Amex team knew the history with Curve but were very happy to start working with us again. In fact the leadership team at Amex Europe were supportive and engaging and we jointly came up with the traditional top-up (prepaid) model approach that Curve launched this week.

In particular, I personally spoke with Amex’s Head of Merchant Services in Europe, who gave his support and endorsement to our plan, understanding that the top-up model they requested differed markedly from how we operate with other card networks. He was happy to have this distinction.

Aside from having a standard merchant agreement with Amex – allowing Curve to accept Amex cards like any other merchant – Curve never had a formal ‘partnership’ with Amex, nor have we sought such an arrangement.

On the 19th of November, we re-launched Amex to a small group of Curve customers, as we do with any product (‘Closed Beta’). It is important to note that the Closed Beta wasn’t part of an agreed roll-out with Amex, nor was there ever a discussion on needing permission from Amex to roll it out to our customer base. Based on the agreement with Amex from March 2018 and the information we had, Curve could have rolled out Amex support to all its customer base in November – when the MVP was ready. The Closed Beta results were remarkable. Around 500 customers topped-up over £1 million in less than a month and their activity on the Curve platform increased by 25%.

Daily communication with Amex employees was nothing but positive and encouraging throughout our Beta launch. They did express a desire to be involved in our launch communication plans and requested a meeting to align communications prior to our wider launch. The meeting was postponed to early January and then moved again at their request to Monday 21st of January. We continued to push back our main Amex launch accordingly, in order to respect their wishes.

The Meeting on Monday 21st of January

The official reason given for this meeting was to discuss Curve’s PR strategy for the main Amex (‘Open Beta’) launch, knowing that we planned to launch shortly. Instead, to our surprise, the Amex team stated that they were unhappy with the Beta, acting as if it were a joint operation. Amex raised concerns over customer experience without giving more details. This flew in the face of the data we had collected and our direct customer feedback.

To be absolutely clear – this was the first time Amex ever mentioned any uneasiness with the integration, and it was never the case that we required Amex approval for the launch. Curve received written approval to launch Amex support in Curve the moment Amex signed the Merchant Service Agreement.

We reminded Amex that strictly speaking we did not have a partnership but rather a Merchant Service Agreement, and if they wished to terminate it, the contract required Amex to give Curve 180 days’ notice. Moreover, we shared our legal opinion that by doing so they might be in breach of payment regulations and could demonstrate clear anti-competitive behaviour if they prevented Curve from accessing the Amex network – as they allow exactly the same functionality to other merchants, such as Paypal, Upay and Yoyo Wallet.

The meeting finished without Amex giving us any formal notice and we agreed to continue the conversation at their offices at a later date.

Amex Launch vol 2

Our launch was planned for Monday 28th January. With this in mind, we decided to regroup to reflect: what would be best for our customers? Should we delay yet once again to an unspecified date, or launch? We decided to move forward with the launch for several reasons. Our Merchant Services Agreement was perfectly valid and our top-up mechanism was known and agreed-upon with Amex. Moreover, our legal advice told us we were protected by regulations, and Amex were unable to prevent Curve from accessing its network.

The first day of the Amex launch was remarkable. Curve customers, especially those who were already Amex cardholders, gave us positive feedback on social media, and spent more than £450,000 on Curve via Amex in one day.

Then, the bombshell. On Tuesday 29th January at 4.46pm UK time, Amex notified us that they were terminating their Merchant Services Agreement with Curve with immediate effect. With that move, and based on legal advice we received, Amex breached their contract with Curve, failed to give appropriate notice, breached PSR regulations, and demonstrated clear anti-competitive and anti-innovation behaviour. Most importantly, Amex seemed to show a total disregard for its own customers’ interests.

Next Steps and What You Can Do to Support Us

We know that without your help we wouldn’t have achieved the heights we have reached to date. With your interests in mind, and our mission to deliver a truly innovative product, we intend to challenge Amex’s decision. We believe financial freedom is the future and we are prepared to fight for yours. This is not really about Curve or Amex; this is about you. It is about putting the customer at the centre and fostering a level-playing field in the financial space.

To be clear, we are not asking you to slander Amex – we are still trying to understand the reasons behind their actions and hope to reach a commercial resolution. We have already sent a letter to them to reconsider their decision and have given them reasonable time to comply. Failure to do so will mean that we will be forced to exercise our rights in the courts and to submit complaints to the relevant regulators in the UK and Europe.

You can support our cause by tweeting to the PSR and FCA, and letting Amex know your thoughts. Explain the benefits you see in supporting Amex in Curve, how it increases competition and choice, and request to review their decision.

We’re sorry for any inconvenience caused to Amex cardmembers, and we hope to resume Amex support in Curve soon. We will update you as soon as we have any further information.”


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Comments (287)

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  • Tom says:

    Was it before of after they hired a full-time “3d motion engineer”? 🙂
    https://community.curve.app/t/new-to-the-curve-team-a-career-in-animation/90

    All jokes aside, AFAIK in 2017 Revolut weren’t:
    – Paying £10 in referrals for each new customer
    – Threatening one of the largest companies around with legal action
    – Issuing Metal cards (the manufacturing cost of which I understand to be around £50) on the back of features they couldn’t deliver

    Perhaps with wild accusations and groundless comparisons, Sachair is actually deflecting attention away from the cashflow of his company.

    • Tom says:

      Apologies for my maligned replies above – hope this one sticks. I hope Curve has received additional funding during 2018 that we are not yet aware of – if not, they could be in trouble.

    • Rob says:

      Revolut has issued a metal card 🙂

      • Tom says:

        Whilst I suspect I am being baited at this point – not in 2017 financial year Rob, where I am getting approximate costs from.

        They also didn’t launch the card on the back of features and functionality they could not deliver, and as such were far less likely to absorb the financial cost associated with the production.

        • Rob says:

          Actually they did 🙂 It was launched with LoungeKey lounge access (sounds familiar?) which only started working this week.

        • Tom says:

          Fair point (and I purchased it, with a significant transaction in mind, only to find out there was a 29k person waiting list, and cancelled) – still can’t dispute it was launched in August 2018 and therefore not reflected in the 2017 costs.

      • Andrew L says:

        Yes, and although their travel insurance still isn’t as comprehensive as the Nationwide FlexPlus package, it looks a more attractive option than Curve’s poor token offering.

    • Peter says:

      Curve is the next Karhoo and Schahar is the next Daniel Ishag.

  • Mr Dee says:

    Still don’t get why Amex reps were actively encouraging signing u to Curve when it launched! Bizarre!

  • Mr Dee says:

    Opportunities come and go, hopefully they will spring another rabbit out of the hat which lasts long enough for people to start using it. If they aren’t interested I profit then who knows what’s coming out next 🙂

  • Graham Walsh says:

    Wonder if one of the issues for Amex was image. People would be using a Metal Curve Card in shops etc rather than a Amex Gold/Plat?

    • Mr Dee says:

      Do people really check what card is being used anymore…

      • Funtime says:

        Only if you’re on a date lol

        • Chrisasaurus says:

          Depends if you’re in Pret with Rob, I think

          Shares in Pret set to tumble as romantic liaison-led incremental spend fails to materialise 🙂

    • GoldmanSachs says:

      This doesn’t make any sense lol

    • Andrew L says:

      At least they can use their metal Curve Card in shops etc. It’s not so easy to use Amex Gold/Plat!

  • Jimbob says:

    It would be good for consumers if Curve and Amex could come to an agreement, but following this rather public spat it seems unlikely.

    It’s a shame, as it’s a relatively niche but obviously very useful service for lots of HfP readers, I wonder if the relatively open discussion of potential abuse may not have helped, although Amex’s decision to pull from the “paternship” seems to have occurred before the recent articles.

  • Greg says:

    Maybe the significant volume of self assessment payments due today had something to do with it, I for one was holding back on paying my VAT and Income Tax today, potentially earning myself two 2-4-1 vouchers before ditching the curve until July.

    I guess what you never had, you shouldn’t miss.

  • CV3V says:

    Amex threaten to pull merchant agreement.
    Curve think they have 180 days to use/abuse/renegotiate with amex – and launch new features anyway/in hope/fingers crossed.
    Amex cancel agreement.

    As a Curve Black, joined late last year, Curve offered a new subscription product but no pro rata refund on membership fee if I upgraded. Seemed poorly thought out, so I steered clear. But now, as a Curve Black, they have sent me an insurance policy for annual travel insurance – a benefit of the new subscription scheme (which I am not on, paid old annual fee).

    • Graeme says:

      I got that too – and I’m on the original blue!

      • CV3V says:

        it doesn’t inspire confidence does it! Either in Curve, or the validity of the policy!

    • Hector says:

      In the email they sent to people on the existing product they said exactly whats happening – they have upgraded you to the subscription product. You get three months for free after which you can opt to move back to the legacy benefits.

      Keep an eye on emails for them – you’ll likely start getting charged in three months if you don’t do anything about it.

      • CV3V says:

        But why should I be charged when I paid an annual fee of £50 back in October!

        • Callum says:

          You didn’t pay an annual fee, you paid a one off fee. You can keep your existing card and benefits for as long as you like.

          I don’t think it’s particularly fair to be so indignant when you don’t even know what you signed up for, nor have you read the information they sent you about the changes.

        • Big Dave says:

          But you got a Tumi wallet worth £50 ….

        • CV3V says:

          @ Callum – no one is being ‘indignant’. I didn’t ask for a free trial upgrade – it was done the second i opened the app, and (from reading their emails, of which i had 4 to go through) i then need to confirm to them i don’t want the Curve Black subscription after the trial has ended (again, which i didn’t ask for).

          Regardless of the £50 being a one off fee or not, my point is that £50 for 3 months of use of Curve Black isn’t good value (£16.66 pcm) and Curve haven’t considered this. It detracts from moving to the subscription service and forces me to notify them i want to revert to ‘Curve Black Legacy’.

          And as for the ‘wallet’, its the first wallet i have ever had that doesn’t take notes! its a cardholder only.

      • Alan says:

        No, their plan is to drop to Blue if you do nothing. You’ll have to actively contact them if you want grandfathered Black. You won’t automatically start being charged for new Black.

        • John says:

          Did you have that confirmed by Curve? I don’t remember reading that anywhere in their email or community post. It just said that if you don’t choose to subscribe you can keep your current benefits.

          I received the same response when I contacted support (prior to their email and post).

          • Alan says:

            Confirmed in a web conference they held for some community members last week.

      • Alex Sm says:

        Not clear when I should notify them about my wish to stay on the legacy Black (I have it for free anyway!) – now straightaway of after 3 months? Wary that they can charge me for the first ‘paid’ month before I blink

    • Big Dave says:

      no one believed me when I said they launched to open beta knowing Amex was going to pull the plug ….

  • Waddle says:

    Just my 2p:
    This is a prime opportunity for Revolut to come in and secure a deal with Amex and sweep up all the disappointed Curve users. The deal doesn’t even have to be as ambitious as the one Curve had with Amex – maybe something like a £500/mo top up limit for premium users, £1,000/mo for Metal users. It gives Amex members an opportunity to use a Visa/MC for certain transactions. But with limits low enough so not to be flooded by points earners like us. Revolut already has the other functionality like Interbank FX and insurance.
    I dunno, just a thought.

    • Callum says:

      If they won’t let Curve do it, they won’t let Revolut do it.

      • Derek Broughton says:

        More pointedly, if they won’t let Curve do it, they _can’t_ let Revolut do it. I think Curve has a good legal case, and if Amex came to any agreement to let Revolut access Amex it would only strengthen Curve’s case.

      • Alex Sm says:

        But why do they allow Yo-yo or Paypal then?

    • Symon says:

      I really don’t think it’s a big deal for Amex. Looking at social media, most people seemed to be signing up to Curve just for the metal card so they could “flex”. That type of person probably isn’t worth much to Amex.

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