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This is Part 2 of my article about the new Curve Card subscription plans which launched on Monday.  Part 1, which reviews the flagship Curve Metal product, is here.

To summarise the changes:

The basic Curve Card remains FREE – in fact Curve will pay you £5 for trying it out if you use my referral code of OQB4J

Curve Black costs £9.99 per month and allows £1,000 per month of free American Express top-ups (0.65% thereafter)

Curve Metal costs £14.99 per month or £150 per year and has unlimited American Express top-ups, a choice of three cool metal cards to choose from and some travel and insurance benefits

(EDIT:  A couple of days after this article ran, American Express withdrew from Curve.  This article is now only useful as a history lesson.  Our most recent introductory article on Curve, reflecting the split with Amex, is here.)

What are the three different type of Curve Card?

Part 1 explained what Curve Card is all about and reviewed the £14.99 per month Curve Metal card.  In this review I will look at Curve Black and the free Curve Blue.

Are you an existing Curve Black cardholder?  If so, you will get three months of ‘new’ Curve Black membership for free (see 4.2.1 of the T&C’s).  People who were on the Amex ‘beta’ trial will get six months.  After that you can either switch to a subscription or you can drop back the ‘old’ set of Curve Black benefits with no fee.  Alternatively you can upgrade to Curve Metal and get four months for free, but in this scenario you lose the option to drop back to a free ‘old’ Black card.

What are the features of Curve Black?

This page of the Curve website compares the three different types of Curve Card.

Fee: £9.99 per month, no annual option

Card:  Plastic, not metal

Availability:  UK and various other EEA countries

Amex usage cap:  £1000 per month for free, with a 0.65% fee thereafter

Foreign exchange fees:  Unlimited transactions with no fee (0.5% fee $ or € and 1.5% fee for other currencies applies to transactions made on a Saturday or Sunday)

ATM withdrawals:  Overseas: £400 per month for free, 2% thereafter (can only be charged to a Visa or Mastercard) / UK: 10 free withdrawals per month (max £200 per day, fair use policy applies), 50p fee thereafter

These are the key benefits.  There are other benefits which I do not value highly but which some readers may find useful:

Travel insurance underwritten by AXA  (this looks OK – you can see the policy document here as a PDF – and with an age limit of 70, although the rules are stricter than many policies in terms of, for example, sports you may not play on holiday. Baggage and personal belongings are not covered for Black cardholders.)

Gadget insurance (maximum value £800 with a £50 excess)

1% cashback from six premium retailers for the first 90 days of membership.  This is on top of the rewards you will earn from your underlying card.

This card has the possibility to be attractive to Head for Points readers.  Let’s look at a couple of key areas:

Your ATM withdrawals (10 per month in the UK for free, £400-worth per month in foreign currency) will earn you miles and points on any underlying Visa or Mastercard.  This will also count towards spend-based bonuses on those cards.  This can offset a lot of the annual fee.

You can charge all of your foreign spending to a miles or points earning card – including an Amex – whilst paying 0% FX fees, which should lead to a sharp increase in your points earning

You can charge some day-to-day debit card spending to Curve and turn it into spend which earns miles, points and ‘spend-related target bonuses’

However, I would argue that Curve Metal is a better package than Curve Black.

Is Curve Metal worth paying £2.50 to £5 per month more than Curve Black?

That’s a good question.  If you pre-pay for Curve Metal at £150, the difference in cost is only £30 per year or £2.50 per month.  For your extra £2.50, you get:

  • Unlimited Amex usage (Curve Black is capped at £1000 per month for free and charges 0.65% afterwards)
  • CDW car rental insurance (not part of Black)
  • £600 vs £400 of free overseas ATM withdrawals (this in itself is worth £1 or so in extra Visa or Mastercard rewards)
  • Travel insurance includes lost baggage and personal belongings (Curve Black does not)
  • No ability to pay £15 per visit for LoungeKey airport lounge access

You also get the novelty of a metal card. On this basis, I think Curve Metal justifies the extra fee.

Finally, let’s look at the free Curve Blue card.

What are the features of Curve Blue?

Curve Blue is free – free to apply and free to operate.  American Express usage is charged, but for low spenders you may find it cheaper overall than paying the monthly fee for Curve Black or Curve Metal.

This page of the Curve website compares the free different types of Curve Card.

Fee: None

Card:  Plastic, not metal

Availability:  UK and various other EEA countries

Amex usage cap:  No free Amex usage – you pay a 0.65% fee on each transaction

Foreign exchange fees:  £500 per month for no fee (0.5% fee $ or € and 1.5% fee for other currencies applies to transactions made on a Saturday or Sunday) with a 2% fee thereafter

ATM withdrawals:  Overseas: £200 per month for free, 2% thereafter (can only be charged to a Visa or Mastercard) / UK: 10 free withdrawals per month (max £200 per day, fair use policy applies), 50p fee thereafter

1% cashback from six retailers for the first 90 days of membership.  This is on top of the rewards you will earn from your underlying card.

One key Curve feature is unchanged, however.  Even users of the free Curve Blue can pay any debit card bill and have it recharged as a purchase for free to a linked Visa or Mastercard.  There are no usage limits except for the day / month / annual limits imposed by Curve which are increased as you become ‘trustworthy’.  It is only Amex transactions which are charged.

A free Curve Blue holder can also do 1 x £200 free overseas ATM withdrawal each month and pick up a few points for free on their linked Visa or Mastercard.  You get the same allowance of UK ATM withdrawals (10 per month for free) as Black and Metal cardholders.

Charges only kick in when you start recharging purchases to an American Express card.  For a lot of HFP readers, the free Curve Blue will be good enough.  If you find yourself needing to charge a few thousand pounds of Visa or Mastercard debit or credit card spend to your Amex to, for example, hit the BA Premium Plus Amex 2-4-1 voucher, you can do so for just £6.50 per £1,000.  Unless and until you do this, there is no charge for getting or using Curve Blue.

If you value all of the ‘extras’ attached to Curve Metal at £zero, you could recharge £23,000 per year to an Amex via Curve Blue at £6.50 per £1,000 before it becomes cheaper to have Curve Metal at £150 per year.

Conclusion

The ability to recharge your Visa or Mastercard debit or credit card payments to an American Express card is, for many HfP readers, a game changer.

That said, Curve is doing its best to annoy people with odd little rules which also make the product unreasonably complex.  The 0.5%-1.5% weekend FX surcharge, for example, means that it may still make sense to have a separate 0% FX fees credit card in your wallet.  Stripping luggage and personal possessions coverage from the Black travel insurance will remove the value for many people.  Having different ATM rules for UK and overseas transactions is another unnecessary complication.

To be honest I am not overwhelmed by the benefits of Curve Black and I’m not sure it will survive long term.  If you pre-pay for Curve Metal then it is only £2.50 per month more than Curve Black and the extra benefits are well worth that.

At the other end of the scale, Curve Blue remains freeBlue is a risk-free introduction to Curve and you can easily upgrade via the app to Curve Black or Curve Metal if you choose to do so at a later date.  A lot of HfP readers will be perfectly fine with the free card, preferring to ‘pay as they go’ for American Express transactions. 

If you will recharge less than £20,000 per year onto your American Express card via Curve then – if you don’t need the travel insurance, CDW car rental waiver, the ‘cool’ value of having a metal card in your wallet and the 0% Monday-Friday FX fees benefit – free Curve Blue is probably good enough.

How to apply for your Curve Card (free if you choose Blue)

Curve will pay you £10 for trying it out if you use our link.

I am interested to see how the new-look Curve Card goes down with the wider market.  For miles and points people like us, especially those in thrall to American Express products, it is great.  It remains to be seen how it goes down outside our circle.


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Comments (300)

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  • Dougie Forde says:

    When you top up with Amex, what happens when you spend more somewhere than you have topped up? Stirkes me that if it automatically tops up with £100, you can never clear your account. If I’m in somewhere like Lidl and the bill is £25.70, it will take time to top up my Curve and then pay. Or is there time?

    • Anna says:

      From home it topped up instantly, I guess there might be connection issues or something I other locations though. However, isn’t this system temporary anyway and Curve will be introducing one where your card is topped up automatically when you put a payment through?

      • Dougie Forde says:

        Also noticed you can only top up with whole pounds. I can see my Amazon account being topped up with any outstanding Amex credit!

        • John says:

          Well that’s how it works (your Lidl example) with Visa and MC.

          Does leaving a few pounds on it really matter unless you want to get rid of curve

        • Grant says:

          If you remove the Amex card from your wallet any unused balance is transferred back to the card.

  • Froggee says:

    Hi Rob – a small thank you from me as one of your prior articles encouraged me to upgrade to the old black for the £50 one-off fee. I don’t need the new black as I can hit acceptable Amex spend with normal spending (and have Virgin/HSBC Mastercards for 1.5 Virgin miles/1.0 Singapore Air miles per £1 spend). So the key attraction of “black” for me is the unlimited FX for family holidays and work trips and assuming Curve are good to their word I’ve got this grandfathered. Happy days.

    • EvilGazebo says:

      Almost impossible to work out from confusing T&Cs – do we think that in the 2/3/6 month “free” period on £9.99/month black plan, we can top up £1k month and not lose it/get charged for it when we drop back to “legacy” black?

      • Grant says:

        This what I am assuming but it would ne nice to have it confirmed.

      • Alan says:

        Yes if you’ve done the top-up already then the money will be in your Amex Wallet so should be fine to then just spend as able.

      • John says:

        The charge appears at the same time as the topup – it says “added £100.65” but your balance only goes up by £100

  • Charlie says:

    Has anyone tried using Curve with the government’s Tax-Free Childcare account? Used for paying nurseries.

    • CDB says:

      I’ve never got it to work which is annoying given £1.5k monthly spend….

    • Alan says:

      Known not to work with that based on lots of previous reports.

    • BJ says:

      Doesn’t work, part of Mrs May’s hostile family planning environment. DWP cannot afford to have HFP readers reproducing to earn a few avios.

      • Ed says:

        If this does change, then it would be worth a mention in a future bits article

    • Alex W says:

      Gov childcare can be paid via revolut

      • Luthar says:

        Sounds like I need to sign up to Revolut. I’m paying £2k a month for two kids and keep getting error messages when I try and use curve.

  • Steve W says:

    Anybody know were the “legacy” Black card Ts&Cs are. I can’t see much point(for me) in upgrading to the new Black or Metal but it would be useful to compare benefits

    • EvilGazebo says:

      New T&Cs has this definition of the legacy Black:

      “Curve Black Account” means the Account with Curve Black Service or Curve Black Legacy Services.

      “Curve Black Legacy Services” means the services available to Curve Black before the 18th of December, 2018 and is limited to:

      – a Curve Black Card;
      – unlimited fee – free foreign exchange spend;
      – fee-free ATM withdrawals of £400/month over which you will be charged 2% or £2 (whichever is higher);
      – Curve Rewards as per your programme as on the 28th of January, 2019;
      – you can top-up your Curve Amex wallet by paying 0.65% of the top up amount with no fee free allowance.
      Curve Black Legacy Services are different from Curve Black Services.

      “Curve Black Service” means the benefits you are entitled to as a result of having a Curve Black Account, as more particularly set out here and separate from the Curve Back Legacy Services.

      • chelynnah says:

        This is what I’ve been looking for, as I’ve not received an email from them yet. This will be perfect. I want the unlimited fx, but don’t need the insurance bits and sm happy to pay the 0.65% top up fee. So looks like Legacy will be perfect for me. Now to find out when my fee free period ends and when I need to notify them by.

        Roll on the email please 🙂

  • Lumma says:

    I’ve had curve for a long time – I think just after they dropped amex and went free but for business customers only. When I got a replacement the card came and was black and not blue and I started getting the double curve rewards points.

    I’ve just gotten an email from them with the paperwork for the black insurance. This looks like either a mistake, they’re going to try and charge me 9.99 a month or I’m getting it for free.

    I’d probably have dropped nationwide flex plus and went with the metal curve but now not so sure

    • Lumma says:

      Actually scrap that, they’ve just sent an email saying that I’ll get the black benefits for free for 3 months. I can also get metal free for two months

      • Axel says:

        From Curve to beta Testers

        “The Curve Amex Closed Beta has officially ended!
        As a Curve Beta tester you will have a longer trial period of the new Curve Black benefits (6 months instead of 3 for any other Curve Black cardholder), and you will still be able to revert to your Curve Black Legacy card benefits if you so wish. It’s our small token of appreciation.”

        • Wendy says:

          Hmm, hubby and I are both beta testers – him blue and me black. Neither of us have received an email yet saying it’s ending.

          I’m curious to the actual ‘legacy’ conditions of the black card. Will it still include the new Amex functionality and terms (ie 1k free a month) but lose the insurance?

          I had considered dropping down to blue because I only use it where I can’t use Amex and have better annual travel insurance. The only thing making me consider paying was the unlimited fx as opposed to only £500. So I’ll be interested to see what is actually included.

          • Alan says:

            Legacy Black has unlimited forex but no all Amex topup will be at 0.65% rate.

        • Wendy says:

          Thanks for the confirmation Alan. That still works for me, as most months my spend would incur less than 9.99. It’s the free fx that was most valuable to me.

    • mcaf123 says:

      I also pay for Nationwide Flex Plus and I’m trying to figure out if the insurance benefits with Metal make it worthwhile to downgrade my account and just put all my eggs in the Curve basket :/

      • RWJ says:

        +1

        • Andrew L says:

          Rob, is it possible for you to investigate whether the Travel insurance & phone insurance is better with the Nationwide Flex Plus current account or with Curve? Although the cost with Nationwide is £13 a month, as they pay 3% interest on the first £2,500 in the account each month, it reduces the monthly cost of the insurances to under £7.

      • Andrew L says:

        Looking at the 2 policies, the Nationwide FlexPlus offering looks to be the more comprehensive travel insurance policy & the FlexPlus phone insurance policy is certainly the better option.

        I won’t be swapping from Nationwide FlexPlus to Curve’s lesser offering and will be moving to the Black Legacy card at the end of my 3 month trial.

      • Alex says:

        +1 from me too!

  • FlyUpTop says:

    I’ve just removed the old app and reinstalled the app again. It now wants me to go through all the set up new account details and states mobile number is registered to another account?

    • Lumma says:

      Did you use a different email address? That happened to me

    • Anna says:

      This happened to me – you’re trying to open a new account instead of logging into your current one. The text is so small it’s easy to hit the wrong button. Go back to the start and just log in with your usual details.

      • TheSkintTraveller says:

        Yes, saw that on the 2nd attempt but it then stated migrating account issues? I tried again an hiur later and all resolved so keep trying if you get the same issues as me.

  • LewisB says:

    Apologies for the dumb question… but to pay for my council tax, utilities… etc via Curve, I must cancel my direct debits and pay when prompted? It’s obviously impossible to re-direct direct debits as Curve is now a current bank account.

    • Liz says:

      I pay my Sky, Tesco mobile and BT using IHG card each month less a couple of pounds so that the DD stays in place. You need to make sure you pay them a few days before the due date in order for the payment to process and the DD to readjust to the reduced amount. Council tax I pay at the Coop using my Amex direct. You need to ask your council to give you a bill with a bar code on it so you can manually pay it each month.

      • LewisB says:

        I’ve just paid my council tax, I get e-bills which means I can do this easily. It’s redirecting my BT, EE etc to my BAPP via Curve I’m struggling to understand to do.

        • Anna says:

          You can only do this if they accept payments by debit card to start with. I’ve got round this problem to an extent by reducing my DD to OVO to the minimum they will accept and making top up payments with Curve each month, which OVO allows.

        • LewisB says:

          Should be easy enough with Green Network Energy as they don’t give any discount for DD, Welsh Water I can pay by debit card and Council Tax is easy enough. I’ll have to try the minimum trick with BT and EE. TV licence is another easy one.

      • Chas says:

        I’m hoping that if these limits genuinely apply that I can then pay most of my monthly DDs, including my mortgage, on Curve. Administratively it will be nightmare each month, but it should be well worth the thousands of extra miles I will earn in the process. I’ve already contacted Curve to ask my limits to be increased to the maximum possible (I’m already maxed out at the 50k 365 limit having paid my company and personal taxes on it), but am still awaiting a response.

        • Anna says:

          You can’t pay a mortgage on Curve as far as I know. Banks usually insist the payments come directly out of a bank account.

        • Russ says:

          @Anna, isn’t that because drawing funds from a bank account is classed as cleared funds? Is the wallet not cleared funds?

        • John says:

          No, I believe DDs take 3 days to clear anyway

          You can pay mortgages on Revolut… topping up with Curve-Amex is hit and miss tho

        • Chas says:

          John – I have no experience of Revolut, so how would I benefit from earning miles for mortgage payments? Step one is obviously opening up a Revolut account, but after that how does it work?

          Re other DDs, I’m assuming that I need to go to each individual account (council tax, insurance, utilities), and pay on-line (using my Curve card) each month before the date when they would otherwise process the DD. Any other tips?

      • Mark2 says:

        That depends whether the spend/points tip you over a threshold.

      • Jonny says:

        Yes, however the Santander 123 acc fee is £5 pcm which means if you’d need to rack up approx £170 worth of 3% DDs to negate the fee. Could just open a Marcus account enjoy the same interest and get the points discussed.

      • Doug M says:

        £5/month offset by 1.5% interest on £20K. What do you do if you already have £85K in Marcus. Everything has to be tailored to your own circumstances. Just putting the info out there, not saying it’s 100% the right thing for everyone.
        Yes if few hundred £ tip you over a 241 or another bonus or offer of some sort that is also a factor.
        My general point was remember that £ is a real currency, Avios have a value at the behest of BA.

      • Jonny says:

        As was I Doug, as was I 🙂

      • BJ says:

        @Doug, you have a point because it is very easy for people to get over excited and carried away by the miles and points game. So much so that some are sometimes (often?) blinded to the fact that paying cash for a miles and status earning flight is much more sensible than redeeming miles. However, that is much less likely amongst those who follow HFP and other blogs regularly as they optimise their spend/earn/redeem strategies very effectively. For most of us it is not a trade off between a few avios and Santander returns, rather it is a trade off against tens of thousands of miles or say a free night in an IC worth hundreds. As Mark2 pointed out above and I did earlier too it is about thresholds for most of us moet of the time. Under these circumstances miles/points always wins out big time over Santander.

  • Levi says:

    My Vanguard S&S ISA accepts deposit by debit card; could this be used to bill those to my Amex as a purchase?

    • Rob says:

      Not if it goes through with a 6012 MCC code, yes otherwise.

      • Paul says:

        Rob,I’ve also used curve to pay into an ISA – what’s a “6012 MCC” code please?

        • Rob says:

          Look on your card statements, you will see a 4-digit code by each transaction which indicates what type of shop it is. 6012 is the default code for financial institutions, and Curve blocks those.

        • Paul says:

          Thanks Rob – looks like that code only appears via online statements. I’m grateful for his knowledgeable input.

    • Doug M says:

      If it works now doesn’t mean it will once they get to grips with the various methods of recycling cash as pretend spend.

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