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Even more things you need to know about the BA Amex 2-4-1 voucher

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Yesterday I ran a long article entitled ‘Everything you need to know about the BA Amex 2-4-1 voucher’ which attracted a lot of feedback.

Looking at the comments during the day, it was quite clear that it was NOT everything you needed to know.

I updated the article during the day but if you read Head for Points by email or only saw the article in the morning then you would have missed the additions.

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Here are some of the additional comments asked by readers, together with my replies:

Are there any easy ways of reducing the taxes payable?

Not easily, because you must start a 2-4-1 journey in the UK and thus incur Air Passenger Duty.  There are two options though:

Start your trip in Jersey, because Jersey is outside the UK for APD purposes but inside the UK for 2-4-1 purposes.  If you fly Jersey – Gatwick – Heathrow – XXXXX your taxes charge will be a lot lower.  You cannot stopover in London for more than 24 hours or full APD is charged regardless.

Start your trip in Inverness.  There is no APD out of Inverness.

There is also no APD out of Newquay but as BA does not fly there this does not help you.  On a standard (non-241) Avios redemption, flying Newquay – Gatwick (Flybe) – XXXXX (BA) would avoid APD.

What small print do I need to know?

I added the following:

There are no circumstances under which you can ask BA to extend a 241 voucher.  Don’t waste your time.

You cannot use ‘part pay with Avios’ in conjunction with a 2-4-1 voucher.  Your booking must be ‘100% Avios’.

‘Gold Upgrade For Two’ vouchers (issued when you earn 2,500 tier points) can be used in conjunction with a 2-4-1 voucher.

You will not earn Avios or tier points on your redemption flight in line with standard Avios redemptions.

Your flights will not be cancelled if you cancel your BA Amex card after making your 2-4-1 booking.

You can fly a different class on the outbound to the return.  However, both passengers must travel together in the same class.  You cannot fly in First and book your companion in Club World if there is only 1 First reward seat available.

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Can I travel with an infant or book without my baby being born yet?

Ye.  For infant (under 2) bookings you pay 10% of the Avios and 10% of the taxes of an adult passenger.  This can be booked online.

If your child is not yet born, book for the two adults and then call to add the baby when it has arrived and has a name!  These rules apply to standard Avios redemptions as well.

If I cancel my BA Amex card after earning the voucher, is it lost?

No.  It is not clear if you would lose the voucher if you booked a redemption and then cancelled it – would the voucher be reissued if you no longer had a BA Amex?  A recent HFP reader who did this found his voucher was returned.

If I downgrade from the Premium Plus to the free card after earning my voucher, do I retain the 2-year expiry period?

Yes.

Can I change my class of travel if seats open up in a higher class after I’ve booked?

Yes.  Standard Avios change fees apply of £35 per person, plus of course the additional Avios.  You need to call BA to do this because of the 2-4-1 voucher being involved.

Conclusion

As I wrote yesterday, there are still two weeks left to apply for the British Airways American Express cards before the sign-up bonuses drop.  If the idea of earning a companion voucher appeals, this is as good a time as any to apply.

The bonus on the free card is increased from 3,000 Avios to 9,000 Avios points.  £1,000 of spending within three months is required.  The application form is here.

The bonus on the Premium Plus is increased from 18,000 Avios to 25,000 Avios points.  £3,000 of spending within three months is required.  The application form is here.

If you have any further questions about the voucher, please ask them in the comments.


How to earn Avios points from UK credit cards

How to earn Avios from UK credit cards (December 2021)

As a reminder, there are various ways of earning Avios points from UK credit cards.  Many cards also have generous sign-up bonuses!

There are two official British Airways American Express cards with attractive sign-up bonuses:

British Airways BA Amex American Express card

British Airways American Express

5,000 Avios for signing up, no annual fee and an Economy 2-4-1 voucher for spending ….. Read our full review

British Airways BA Premium Plus American Express Amex credit card

British Airways American Express Premium Plus

25,000 Avios and the UK’s most valuable credit card perk – the 2-4-1 companion voucher Read our full review

You can also get generous sign-up bonuses by applying for American Express cards which earn Membership Rewards points, such as:

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American Express Preferred Rewards Gold

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The Platinum Card from American Express

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We recommend Capital On Tap for limited companies. You earn 1 Avios per £1 which is impressive for a Visa card, along with a sign-up bonus worth 10,500 Avios:

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You should also consider the British Airways Accelerating Business credit card. This is open to sole traders as well as limited companies and has a 30,000 Avios sign-up bonus:

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Click here to read our detailed summary of all UK credit cards which earn Avios. This includes both personal and small business cards.

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Comments (223)

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  • Cassie says:

    I made a booking including infant entirely online – I didn’t need to phone up. Just put in the details: 2 adults and 1 child (0-2) at the start, and the booking proceeded with the 241 just fine, and added on the 10% at the end.

    • Tracy says:

      The point in the article was that you can add the infant later if he/ she hasn’t been born at the time of original booking.

      • pauldb says:

        To be fair it does read as if you must always book an infant, even if already born, by phone which isn’t correct.

        • Wayne Phillips says:

          My fault I think – Raffles has been collating comments from yesterday and I had it wrong at first attempt.

          Taxes aren’t quite as simple as 10%, there are just some you’re not eligible to pay as an infant, but 10% is a good rule of thumb

  • AliD says:

    Slightly OT – BA related.

    Finally got round to emailing BA CS re Euro Traveller booking made before Buy on Board announcement. First CS agent replied providing some more details of offering – no mention of compensation. Emailed back asking for same compensation that others have got (1000 Avios) – received stonewalling reply demanding I send it signed consent from my fiancee who is also on the booking before they will discuss further. Pretty incensed by this response (they don’t ask for this before changing seat reservation online etc).

    Any one else had this difficulty getting their 1000 Avios?

    • the real harry1 says:

      Not that particular stonewall – but my wife, who sent off all her details incl booking reference, BAEC number, flight details etc just got a reply back after a week asking her to confirm…

      …booking reference, BAEC number, flight details etc

      Really poor Customer Service dept @ British Airways – it would have been so simple to award 1000 Avios automatically to everybody who complains about the tickets purchased that originally included food & beverage – and would have kept everybody reasonably happy, instead of which we end up hating them for poor service 🙁

      • the real harry1 says:

        just asked her to check & she got 1000 Avios by return, but has several additional flights booked before the F&B changes that should also qualify for compo (which is where people start to run into trouble if the BA agent considers you already got a gesture)

        • C77 says:

          The 1000 avios offering is a one-off exgratia gesture Harry. It isn’t something applicable to every sector or every reservation booked prior. Be grateful you got anything. If you really want to MILK the BoB situation, insist on paying by avios and recite any 8 digit number when asked for your Exec Club number (the machines used on board can’t swipe your card). The crew don’t appear have any time to reconcile manually and accounts go uncharged.

          • the real harry1 says:

            I think that needs testing in law, I am going through the final steps (further emails etc) before starting MCOL – I know that doesn’t establish case precedent but it costs BA money & myself little to try it & see.

            I don’t consider that milking, I have screenshots x3 showing that F&B was advertised as being included in the tickets, quite clearly it was part of the offer, complimentary or not, & had a value/ was an incentive to purchase.

            I also have Simon Calder very interested in writing up the scandalous way BA is treating its customers.

            Interesting there’s no check on BAEC numbers – easy enough to photoshop a printout of your personal details from the BAEC My Executive Club page

          • Mr Dee says:

            It is not milking anything, he paid for a service which he expected to include food and drink, if he now has to purchase food and drink as they are not providing it, he is entitled to claim the money for this food and drink and I am sure they will have no hesitation to pay up when faced with legal action.

          • Genghis says:

            Agreed Harry and Mr Dee.
            Now for a bit of a rant. There are too many push overs in this country, people that moan but then don’t do anything about it. Just like people who don’t vote yet whinge about how things are run etc. People should challenge if they feel wronged

          • Joe says:

            Don’t be stupid! Using a made up exec number to get free BoB food is dishonest and fraudulent. Also what if that made up number belongs to someone else who finds they’ve had X amount of avios deducted because you’ve just given a random number on board to avoid being charged for you’re Percy pigs…think about it.

          • the real harry1 says:

            And they have your passport number, address etc 🙂

        • Alan says:

          Good on you, Harry – be interesting to see if (or perhaps when?!) they cave if you go down the MCOL route. Regardless I think Calder should cover deteriorating BA CS standards!

    • John says:

      If all you want is the 1000 avios, just get your fiancee to message them separately (with the same message – don’t waste time crafting a different one, they certainly don’t write individual replies)

      I had one booking with my wife and I just sent the same message from myself and from her and we both got the 1000 avios with no quibble. But I stopped booking with BA after BOB was announced, so haven’t lost out really. I’m interested to see what happens with harry.

      • the real harry1 says:

        We had more than 30 European flights booked under the old F&B rules as I book us in T-355

        I therefore require 30x 1000 Avios compensation

        • Joe says:

          30 ? THIRTY ??!

          Jaysus I lead a sad pathetic life!

          • Alan says:

            Haha although IIRC it is Harry1, Mrs Harry1 and 3 little Harry1s – so 6 flights each, perhaps 3 returns for the whole family? To the top secret Harry1 place in the sun 😛

  • Nick says:

    I recently cancelled my premier BA Amex for various personal reasons. We had two 2-4-1 vouchers and redeemed these for flights before I cancelled. I checked this twice with Amex and BA who said that the bookings would remain unaffected but if I cancel them I won’t get the voucher back. This is what has happened

    • Rob says:

      What ‘happened’? Did you cancel and not get them back?

      A couple of people emailed me yesterday to say that vouchers had been returned despite them no longer being cardholders.

      • Lawro says:

        This seems to be an area with very little data reported.

        Rob, have these people subsequently used the vouchers again successfully?

        • Rob says:

          Don’t think so, but showing in their ba.com accounts so unlikely to be a problem. I don’t treat two examples as ‘proof’ however.

          • LaineyLing says:

            +1 for getting voucher back despite BA Amex card being cancelled.
            Did the cancellation through the call centre though as was originally r-ebooking to an open jaw flight in a different zone. New flights were beyond the expiry date of my voucher so had to use my husband’s voucher so can definitely confirm my original voucher has been credited to my account.

      • Kean says:

        Hi Rob

        I canceled my AMEX BA PP card about a month ago and my unused 241 voucher is still available on my BA account. I tried to use it and seem to have no problem at all at redeeming the voucher. This seems contrary to what AMEX said when I closed my account that I won’t be able to use the voucher if I cancel my card. Would you know any one used and flied the redemption without being a AMEX BA cardholder? Thank you!

        Kean

        • Alan says:

          Yes, lots of people -you just need an Amex card (ANY Amex card) to pay

        • Rob says:

          You’re fine, Amex like to scare people. You will need an Amex to pay the taxes but any old Amex will do.

    • Alan says:

      Can you explain a bit more, Nick – the conclusion wasn’t clear!

  • Ahop says:

    I called BA again last night regarding the addition of a return leg to my outward journey using a 241 (I am aiming to fly back from the Caribbean on 01/01/18). With 0 availability showing online from any island Ba insist this is down to their system not releasing Avios seats yet, rather them simply being booked upon the minute of release.

    I think they’re talking codswallop according to what hfpers suggest. Has anyone had a similar experience?

    • the real harry1 says:

      you’re a bit late, probably got snapped up already, popular dates

      (that’s why people stay up until midnight T-355)

      • Ahop says:

        Cheers Harry, I have been looking every day since the T-355. Sounds like I was probably just ‘hours’ too late.

        • the real harry1 says:

          other people frequently report popular routes going within minutes of being released

          • rams1981 says:

            yep. Jo’burg yesterday. there at midnight and gone at 12.05

          • Genghis says:

            @rams1981. Did you book online and then call back today to sort out the avios refund etc? All go swimmingly?

          • rams1981 says:

            not done it yet @genghis as planning a 2 week break and this is only one week after outbound. Just testing it for data points and to re-enforce I need to use @yuff’s method

        • Genghis says:

          Please report back how you find @Yuff’s method. I plan on doing it in a few weeks.

    • Anna says:

      Ahop, I’ve just checked and returns from Grand Cayman are showing from Jan 5th. I therefore suspect that all the redemption seats in the Xmas school holiday period have been snapped up. I have found that BA staff are surprisingly badly informed about how their own system releases avios seats (or are deliberately vague!) so I would never rely on them.

      • Anna says:

        You might have to get yourself to the mainland US and see if you can return from there, e.g. New York or Miami.

        • ian says:

          Houston is well located for the western Caribbean and usually has good availability.

  • Mikeact says:

    Need to be a bit sharpish in you want to apply for the Premium Plus card….offer expires Midnight February 8th 2017.

  • AK says:

    I have a question related to this:
    “Your flights will not be cancelled if you cancel your BA Amex card after making your 2-4-1 booking.”

    I’ve recently booked using my companion voucher and downgraded the BA Amex. I’m wondering if I cancel my BA card, will it have any impact on my BAEC membership? E.g. avios already there etc.
    And under these circumstances, am I able to re-apply for the BA Premium in 6 months after cancellation and attach it to my already existing BAEC account AND get the sign-up bonus!?

    Thanks!

    • Genghis says:

      No and yes

    • pauldb says:

      Better still, if you have an eligible partner refer them for a card before you cancel. Cancel when you get your side of the bonus,then in 6 months have them refer you back.

      • AK says:

        My partner already has a companion voucher (which expires in September 2018), I have downgraded her card. Looking on what has been written by Rob, it seems as though I can cancel her card also and then reapply in 6 months, without affecting the Companion voucher?
        Hope that’s right!?

    • Rob says:

      No impact, fine to reapply in 6 months.

  • James says:

    Perhaps controversial but is it really necessary to travel with infants in CE / CW? Some friends recently saved up only to have a kid constantly kick their seatbacks and play iPads out loud – parents refused to do anything and said it “would be worse if they didn’t let them play iPads”

    Leisure travelers have usually paid a stack or saved up points for a relaxing start for their holidays so really don’t want / or deserve to find themselves in a mobile crèche!

    • Genghis says:

      Controversial indeed. We don’t have children (yet). It’s not children that are at fault but parents (and people) who do not show any consideration for other passengers. You get really quiet kids just like you get loudmouth adults

      • BrianDT says:

        Here we go again, kids up front have been done to death….no winners on this one.

    • Oyster says:

      1. It’s public transport, not private.
      2. If the parents of children/infants have also saved hard to treat themselves, why can’t they treat themselves and their family too?
      3. I’ve had drunk, snoring and loud adult chatters disturb my sleep a lot more on flights than children.
      4. Children (over 2) pay far more than adults proportionately to their size (fuel/food/drink consumption) than adults – you could say they’re subsidising your champagne!

    • David2910 says:

      Nonsense. Your friends should get over it. No more special than passengers in ET who also pay for their seats.

    • Rob says:

      My kids have travelled in CE and CW since they were born. We did keep them out of First until my boy turned 4. First is a bit trickier because you can’t easily get to them – my son tends to shout out ‘Daddy’ as he would at home when he needs anything, and if wearing headphones tends to do it loudly.

      Note that BA often has 4 in F when there are not 4 in CW so the choice is often not there to make. My kids actively dislike BA due to the terrible IFE and always moan when I tell them they are not on Emirates.

      • Genghis says:

        Let’s hope your kids get into points collecting in their teens otherwise it might be a big fall when they eventually fly the nest! 🙂

        • Brian says:

          Somehow, I don’t get the impression that Rob and his family ONLY rely on miles for their luxury travel! :))

          • Rob says:

            The only flights we paid cash for last year were Lufty flights to Salzburg for a ski trip. Before that we hadn’t paid cash for a flight for 3 years – the famous BA ‘we’re throwing your 2-year old the plane and here is his hotel key’ Dubai trip. That was originally a redemption but the BA sale price was too tempting and my wife had her Silver status on the line ….

            We do tend to pay cash for hotels when travelling as a family – redemptions are mainly for my solo trips.

            Don’t worry about my kids, they’re going to be just fine when they grow up once I sell HFP off to MoneySupermarket 🙂

      • Ian says:

        “Note that BA often has 4 in F when there are not 4 in CW so the choice is often not there to make. My kids actively dislike BA due to the terrible IFE and always moan when I tell them they are not on Emirates.”

        Surely a candidate for submission to “Overheard in Waitrose”

        #firstworldproblems

        • Rob says:

          Those are the only sort of problems we deal with on here.

          • Lawro says:

            It won’t let me reply to your 10:53 comment Rob….

            The UK version of the Brian Kelly route….just with Asda, Aqua and the AA instead! The horror….

    • Anna says:

      Ask them politely to stop/turn it down/listen with headphones. Most parents (especially in CE/CW I should think) will be mortified that their child is causing a nuisance and curtail the behaviour immediately! My child always recieves dire warnings on boarding about the consequences of disturbing anyone else’s peace!

      Also, yes, he is made well aware that this kind of travel is a hard-earned (either cash or avios) privilege and when he is an adult we will not be subsidising the same lifestyle!

    • John says:

      Absolutely. We should definitely also ban non-vegetarians as their eating habits affect my enjoyment of the flight. Also there should be a total ban on alcohol as I don’t drink; and drunk people can be loud when I want peace and quiet.

      Alternatively you could just get a grip of yourself and stop making sweeping, bigoted generalisations based on one person’s (subjective) experience.

      • Anna says:

        Lol. Don’t take away the alcohol – it’s a prerequisite of travelling with kids!

        • Joe says:

          Ha – SO true! When sat on the tarmac in MAD for 5 hours due to yet another French ATC strike (quelle surprise) my then 9month old gave up the ghost and told *everybody* on board what he thought of sitting there like a lemming was like.

          I ordered a double G&T (pre-BoB obviously and purely for medicinal purposes of course) and some folk were checking me out / judging me – mostly the same eye-rollers who had been hacked-off with my wholly inconvenient & pathetic infant who couldn’t handle a wee 5 hour delay in a confined space) – I nearly lost it & had to bite my tongue hard.

    • Mike says:

      You really need to read the DYKWIA thread on FlyerTalk

    • Simon says:

      My 2 and 4 year olds have flown CW and CE with us since they were 2 months old. I’d be incredibly proud if they could kick anyone’s seat back when their legs barely reach over their own seat. People need to get over themselves, and parents need to control their own children. In the same way as people should control their loud, drunk or snoring partners.

    • czechoslovakia says:

      Travelled last year on LH943, 12.30 departure, MAN to FRA. No silly BoB on LH, so, being a lunchtime flight, all pax hungry. You can imagine the scowls around the aircraft as the announcement was made “Sorry, no lunch today, as a pax has a nut allergy, and didn’t inform the airline in advance”.
      How can 1 persons “right to nut free flight”, overrule 130 or so other persons rights to lunch? I`d not wish an allergy like that on my worst enemy, but s/he was fine to tell the FAs on board, but not the airline in advance? I`d have given them the option to get off, myself. It`s down to manners and respect. Same with kids up front. If you`ve got a couple of noisy ill-mannered sprogs behind you, likely the parents are the same/worse.

      • Ro says:

        It’s not a “right to a nut free flight”… allergies could be a matter of life or death.
        If you want to be even more selfish than you already are, would you like the plane to be diverted once that passenger gets a life threatning allergic reaction.

        Maybe that person doesnt fly often so didnt think to warn in advance and didnt realise the airline would cancel the whole meal service? Get a grip.

  • Dave says:

    Is it possible to add a second person to an existing solo redemption, using your 2-for-1?

    • Genghis says:

      No. From yesterday’s article. “You cannot turn an existing Avios redemption into a 2-4-1 redemption with half of the Avios returned to you.”

      • Dave says:

        That’s not the same question – I was asking about adding a second person, not getting a refund of half your booking.

    • Rob says:

      No, never heard of this working although technically it should be fairly straightforward.

      • Dave says:

        Thought it sounded like a long shot! I was asking for a friend – I’ll tell him it’s unlikely, but he might as well call BA and ask I suppose…

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