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Would BA prioritise the downgrading of Amex 2-4-1 passengers?

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Long term readers of Head for Points will remember my trip home from the Middle East at Easter 2013.

Despite having four Club World tickets booked, we arrived at Dubai Airport to find that an aircraft swap meant that the aircraft had a smaller Club World cabin than expected.  Myself, my wife and my then-6-year-old daughter had been downgrade to World Traveller Plus.  My then-2-year-old son had been offloaded entirely, on his own.  That was an interesting morning ….. suffice it to say that we all got on the plane, in Club World, in the end.

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I bring this up because I’ve had a couple of emails recently where readers felt that British Airways had targeted them for a downgrade because they were travelling on Avios tickets.  In particular, one asked whether I thought BA would target holders of companion tickets issued with a BA Amex 2-4-1 voucher?

Why would they do this?  See below.

Would they actually do this in practice? You would like to think not.

Under Article 10 of the EC261 regulations, the compensation payable for a downgrade is:

  • Under 1,500km flight – 30% of ‘price paid’
  • All other intra-EU flights and long haul flights between 1,500 and 3,000 km – 50% of ‘price paid’
  • Long haul flights over 3,000 km – 75% of ‘price paid’

‘Price paid’ is not defined.  My understanding is that it was meant to be based on the return cost but most airlines choose to use the one way cost.  There is also no guidance in the regulations about how to handle a downgrade on one leg of a multi-leg flight or a downgrade by more than one cabin.  However, the general point is clear:

The refund is based on the price paid.  For Avios tickets, it is based on the Avios used.

In premium cabins (and you can’t be downgraded from economy) the cost of a cash ticket means that it is economically beneficial for BA to downgrade an Avios passenger ahead of a cash passenger.  The refund will be in Avios, not cash, and will not be huge.

A recent case sent to me by a reader is more complex. I have seen the post-trip correspondence from BA to the reader.

A couple were travelling together.  Club World was oversold by ONE person.  In this scenario, BA is meant to ask for volunteers to travel later or be downgraded in return for £.  Only after all passengers have refused are they meant to pick a passenger to be downgraded.

There were presumably plenty of solo passengers travelling on this flight who could have been downgraded or offloaded to minimise inconvenience.  Instead, BA picked a couple travelling on the same ticket.  One passenger was downgraded from Club World to World Traveller Plus, the other was not.

The couple were travelling on a British Airways American Express 2-4-1 voucher.  The downgraded passenger was the companion.

Now, of course, everyone has an unlucky day and at this point you can’t claim that there was a conspiracy to downgrade a 2-4-1 passenger.  Neither of these passengers had British Airways status so they would have been high up the list to be offloaded anyway.

However, when the passenger made a claim under EC261 they were told that no compensation was payable.  They had paid zero Avios for their companion ticket and 75% of zero was zero.

The passenger was given an ex-gratia gift card for £200 at the airport, but this is irrelevant under EC261.

I find it hard to believe that anyone at British Airways would prioritise 2-4-1 companion ticket holders for downgrades as – by definition – it means splitting up a couple.  Even if it is, economically, the logical thing to do if you were looking to maximise profitability.

These stories could just be bad luck – after all, HfP readers are more likely than not to be flying on Avios tickets.  It might just be chance that the person downgraded was the one on the companion ticket.  It might be that the flight was heavy on status passengers and they arrived at the airport later than most.

If you have any recent experiences of being downgraded on an Avios ticket, please let us know – especially if you think there were other people more ‘suitable’ than yourself.


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Comments (235)

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  • HIDeHi says:

    The EU compensation for downgrades seems to be less ironclad than for delays/cancellations. I am not sure why but for some reason BA feel they are firmer ground with downgrades. They even will defend the cases in small claims courts, unlike delays where they always cave.

  • Anna says:

    Did the downgraded couple get their 2 for 1 voucher back? (I’m guessing not if there was ANY way BA could wriggle out of it).

  • Anna says:

    I’m flying CW to GCM in August, I’m on a cash ticket and husband and son on 2 for 1 voucher. There are only 4 flights per week and it also services Nassau so it’s likely to be busy. I shall be prepared to stand my ground!

    • Louise says:

      Just wondering, should that happen, could you volunteer (with your cash-paid ticket) to downgrade instead? I’m assuming you’d get 75% of your cash back…

      • Ewa Sliwinska says:

        Yes, but the economy price is 1/3 of business class so technically you would not get any compensation.

  • Concerto says:

    Certainly happened to me on Virgin (VS) on a Diamond Club miles ticket, undoubtedly because it was a 236 stock ticket paid for with miles (and £476 taxes). Hoping it won’t happen on an upcoming itinerary with airberlin, where I miraculously managed to find upgrade space.

  • Oyster says:

    I’d make small claims case:

    Assume a 150,000 redemption.
    75% is 112,500 Avios. The BA website sells Avios at £0.016 each, so I’d submit a claim for £1,800.

    • Martin says:

      In theory I don’t disagree, in practice though, all I would say is best of luck.

    • Lady London says:

      Or how about trying to get a case judged in your favour, that the true value of a ticket is whatever it would cost to buy that same ticket on the very day that you’re bumped off the flight?

      That would set the cat amongst the pigeons, what with the exorbitant prices of flights booked at the last minute/on the day of flight.

  • s says:

    Hi
    I am now worried some bright spark at BA will now implement this as a proper policy!

    I am near to be having enough points for Business rtn on 2-4-1 to LA etc and I am not only scared for availability but now downgrading.

    keep up the great work on the website, its a great tool.

    cheers

  • Anna says:

    So, if they downgrade you, are you entitled to a comparable seat on another flight? If so, what if the next flight isn’t the same day? Are you entitled to accommodation?

    • Rob says:

      No. BA hates rebooking you on other flights because they need to pay the other airline, albeit not at the headline cash price.

      You will get what my 2-year old was given in Dubai – a hotel room, a seat on the next available flight and some cash to spend.

      Whether you can refuse a downgrade in return for a later rebooking is a different question.

      To be honest, when I was 18 / 19 and travelling to Canada a fair bit to see family I used to target overbooked flights. Air Canada would always oversell economy so I volunteered at check in to be offloaded even before they started asking. You’d get a business class seat the next day (I was in cheapo economy originally) and a hotel room and some cash. The 18-year old me was very happy to take that.

      Similarly, whilst my brother was annoyed to have his New York flight delayed by 4 hours in February, the €3,000 that BA paid him within a week as his EU261 compensation did soften the blow somewhat!

  • CV3V says:

    I was wondering about this very situation in December, I had a 2-4-1 booking in First (where seat selection is free) and all the seats were taken/reserved, and yet when I checked the BA website they were still selling tickets for the cabin. On checking numbers, they would sell one ticket but not two.

    But what options do we have in this situation to ensure a premium cabin? Rebook onto a later flight? Or can we get BA to rebook us onto a different (and better) carrier?

    • Clive says:

      I don’t know if you’re gold with BA, but… don’t forget that a couple of the F seats – 1A and 1K – show as reserved to people who aren’t gold, up until a few days before the flight. So there could’ve still be a couple of unsold seats which weren’t available to select.

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